What People Are Commenting
Msgr. Lefebvre, Hate Mail
& Discerning a Vocation
Archbishop Lefebvre & Petain
Thank you for your wonderful work. I always leave your site "THAT" much more educated and inspired to persevere during these uncertain times.
I read your post regarding the neo-fascist false solutions unfortunately attracting some of the traditionalist faithful rightly fed up with the moral decandence and mockery of God's order in today's society.
What came to mind, in a disturbing way, was Archbishop Lefebvre's open admiration for Marshal Petain as a national hero for restoring the Catholic order in France under his Vichy regime.
I never quite understood how Archbishop Lefebvre could come to a conclusion like that, given that the regime collaborated with Nazi Germany and participated in the rounding up of the Jews in order to send them off to the various concentration camps.
However, over the years of being imbued with the image of the Archbishop as being a saintly figure, I kind of tucked the matter underneath the rug, as far as I was concerned, more inclined to think that there was something wrong with my analysis of the matter.
And then, your recent article happened. In many ways, I wish it hadn't since it re-challenges a paradigm of convenience I had uncritically come to adopt for my own peace of mind, but it's good that it did. Sometimes, a good intellectual "kick" is what is needed to see things for what they really are.
A part of me now reasons that saintly people are not necessarily immune from error. That's where I'd like to end my inquiry, but for the fact that to show any degree of approval of a murderous regime calls into question one's system of morality--and no saint is a saint without a clear sense of what is right and what is wrong.
Clearly, to err about a value-neutral matter such as the configuration of the stars or the number of trees on a desert island is vastly different from voicing one's endorsement of someone who clearly had a hand in genocide.
To me, it is inconceivable that a "saintly" person would commit that grave of an error in his moral judgment.
Thank you for your article. I think it was timely and necessary but also bitter-sweet. Sweet, because it vindicated a lot of my own assessment of the Vichy regime; bitter, because it threw a monkey-wrench into my wishful inclinations to see Archbishop Lefebvre as a saint.
I am careful to reserve any judgment on the person of the Archbishop. I am certainly no expert on him or his life. There are many who would like to see him canonized one day when the dust settles. If he doesn't make the mark, though, this doesn't necessarily discount a lot of the good that he did achieve for us traditional Catholics.
Answering to a Furious Hindu
Your Hindu hate-mailer "LG" conveniently forgets that his/her swamis and sadhus have also been indulging in such behavior. Also forgotten, is the kidnapping or selling into prostitution or child slavery of countless thousand children. Moving into the adult age group, countless millions (children included) are held as bonded laborers (slaves) having debts they cannot pay. Finally, ponder on this little piece that is circulating on the net - clean your own eyes first LG!
... The Hindus hold the record for the worst genocide ever committed. Against the Dalits, the "untouchables."
Nothing comes close. Not the Naqba, not the genocide against Iraq, not even Communist genocides combined against Russians, Chinese, Cambodians, Cubans, Angolans, all Africans - Congolese and the rest & more.
Not even black slavery comes close. Not even slavery against the Slavs, which is older than black slavery was, comes close.
The genocide against the Dalits is 3,500 years old.
That long, from a false religion that worships statues and holds its priesthood and warriors and businessmen as "racially pure" Aryans; "racially pure" Aryans and above the untouchables. Total racist garbage from a State, India, that has starvation and deprivation but spends time and resources developing nuclear weapons ... (cultureandlove blogspot)
I love the Catholic Church and the all the tradition that goes with being Catholic I also love the renewal. I haven't read the book but have read your website and I have to say that I have been in the renewal for 25 years and have never seen any of the rubbish that you talk about.
Pope John Paul 2 was very impressed with the Charismatic Renewal and congratulated the leaders in Rome on the effect the Renewal was having in the Church.
Helping to Discern a Vocation
Thank you so much for all of the material you have posted on this site. It is wonderful that one can access the wealth of traditional catholic teaching in this time of serious confusion and apostasy.
Being that I have been trying to discern my vocation I would especially like to thank you for the work you have done on catholic customs, fatherhood, motherhood, gender roles, and the raising of children. For the past ten months after returning to tradition, I have been convinced that I have a religious vocation.
Recently I have felt a pull towards marriage which frightened me, until I came across your site. I had no idea what an honor, blessing, and with what dignity comes as being a truly catholic husband and father. The modern world and the conciliar Church give us a much different portrait of the family and fatherhood, a worldly portrait of egalitarianism and emptiness.
I do not feel nearly as anxious nor upset if I find I do not have a religious vocation, in fact being bestowed with the vocation of husband and father would be quite an honor in my mind. However I know much more discernment is necessary.
Thank you once again for providing this material to us traditional Catholics, especially us younger Catholics who were not raised with the true faith nor raised in a traditional family. May the Immaculate Heart of Mary be our guiding light in this current darkness, and may all things be restored in Christ.
Posted May 27, 2010
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